While you're using terms like 'stumble me' you aren't thinking dispassionately with a view to logically evaluating the religion. Assuming that realising the WTS isn't God's sole representation on earth is a negative thing and will "stumble" you means you've already made up your mind and won't go any further. You're frightened that you'll lose out on eternal life if the belief system you're comfortable with becomes unbelievable to you.
It's an implanted phobia.
All the best with it.
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Defence of watchtower society Links
by reniaa ini thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
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Need help with current JW position's on DF'g
by Grouper inhere is the gist of things:
elders came to my home asking if charges of adultery against me are true (going through divorce).
i state to them that i wish not to discuss matters with them since this is a personal matter and if in the future i change my mind i will seek them.
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If that works for you, garybuss, that's good, but I feel differently. I'm not currently DF'ed and have been told by a very close family member that they would shun if me if I was. This hurts, but I know it is not because this person doesn't care about me. It's because this person is under the control of a destructive mind controlling cult. It may mean the person is unable to be "good family" to me if it did happen, but I haven't given up hope yet. :)
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Circuit Overseers still going to be around?
by cabasilas inawhile back there was a rumor posted that the wt society was going to do away with circuit overseers.
any substantiation yet or was this just someone's speculation?
seems like i've seen references to them in the publications since then so i'm wondering if this is a rumor that needs demolition?
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I've read at a couple of places that this "is legit", but the evidence doesn't seem to be there.
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What is this smiley doing?
by Amha·aret in.
i can't figure out if he's laughing, snoring or sneezing!
any ideas?.
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Yawning... boring.
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Defence of watchtower society Links
by reniaa ini thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
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scholar:
reniaa
Congratulations for your courage in providing a good defence of Jehovah's Witnesses, their beautiful and sacred teachings and its modern day organization.
Be assured that our teaching regarding chronology especially the date 607 BCE is soundly established on the Bible and secular history. The date is well proven and supported by several WT scholars many of whom are qualified at University level and have made significant contributions to biblical scholarship similatr to that of the NWT Committee.
Apostates hate 607 BCE and only rely on the published work of an apostate Carl Jonsson and they simply accept everything he has written without any criticism it is just as Jesus said about 'the Blind leading the blind'. Further, such ones only slander us but do not provide any alternative; If the Witnesses are not the True Religion then where is it to found today? They have no coherent doctrine, no ministry, no brotherhood in short they have NOTHING to offer except ridicule and vile hatred of Truth, Justice and Christiian Freedom.
Keep up the good work
Your brother in faith
scholar JW
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by reniaa ini thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
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reniaa: but then if we condemn all faiths for anticipating dates then we wouldn't even follow the bible because even in thessalonians they anticipated jesus. Like I've said in the past I'll forgive a religion for making obviously human mistakes but there is a point of no returnI idolatry, false worship to a God that is not JHWH, supporting fornication/adolatry in their congregation, encouraging members to kill each other in conflict so murder etc you know the bigger issues!
It sounds like you're so stuck in believing what you've been told to believe. JW's have to downplay the significance of having twisted scripture to inject fear of Armageddon into people, even though Jesus himself said not to believe those who falsely said 'there he is'. Can't you see you're deliberately ignoring Jesus Christ? It really is that simple. Whether or not you're willing to forgive a religion over a major doctrinal error (to put it extremely politely) has nothing to do with what the bible says.
And if you don't like other religions that do the other things you mention, then don't join them either.
reniaa: Now if someone tells me that they left JW's because of one of these nitpicky issues more to do with human error which itself is recorded in the bible and then they go on to join a faith/religion or lack of faith(Atheism, agnostism etc) that advocates the above major wrongdoings how can I respect them?
Again, you're downplaying what Jesus warned against, but your question is irrelevant. You don't have to respect anyone who left Jehovah's Witnesses. This isn't a give-me-respect competition.
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by reniaa ini thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
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reniaa: "So if using faulty dates is a reason to condemn a religion then I think we would have to condemn all religions".
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if all k-halls burned down in one night......????
by oompa ini'd say, break out the hot dogs and marshmellows!
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All Witnesses would realise that the true religion is supposed to be persecuted *after* the false ones, and so would instantly disassociate themselves and become Mormons.
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Would it be okay at the Hall to name your son JEHOVAH?
by Witness 007 incan i name my firstborn son jehovah?....as a sign of respect.
how would witnesses respond to this...some south americans are named jesus juvarez etc so what do you think....psm 83;18 my son would be "you who's name is jehovah art most high over all the earth...."
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Go for it - I'm sure they would be pleased. Not.
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Good for you. Baby's more important than anyone else's feelings.